Posts by John Aquila

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

John Aquila

Wow rebel8, I wonder how many of these incidents have happened but we are just not aware of it.

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

John Aquila

DATA-DOG 2 hours ago

My theory:
In order to discover TTATT, an individual must have objectivity and intellectual honesty. Every good thing associated with those two qualities must be present.

I agree, and that actually speaks well for all of us here.

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

John Aquila

3rdgen 2 hours ago

i think the GB IS concerned about the possibility. This fear is why tunnels were built for escape routes underneath the original headquarters and why the New headquarters is an isolated compound with plenty of security and an airport.

I didn't know that. So they are concerned, good!

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

kepler 4 minutes ago

The Deutero-Canonical book of Wisdom addresses immortality in 2:23

Thanks kepler, I didn't know that because I'm not familiar with the book of Wisdom, but I know it was part of the Septuagint. So there was some familiarity with immortality with some Jews. So I'm guessing like Saintbertholdt mentioned, it was an idea that slowly evolved into Christianity. Interesting!

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

Saintbertholdt

The Gospels I view as the evolution of a philosophy which emerges out of the Jewish culture. Not the work of just the four gospel writers, but the work of a rebellious component of the Jewish community creating a new liberal tradition

Thanks Saintbertholdt

That sounds more reasonable. I can see that happening. I’m going to do more research in that direction.

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

Aroq

Thanks for your input

From what I’ve been told, by some Jewish friends, the book of Job is believed to be a poem with poetic words, a play but not a literal real story. So the reference to, My skin is destroyed, yet from my flesh I shall see god”---- is poetic in nature and not to be taken as a prophetic future event.

Psalms were songs of deep emotional feelings but not predictions of literal future events.

Daniel 12:2 was added later to the book of Daniel and is debatable that it was part of the original writings.

The context shows that Isaiah chapters 13 to 35 contain a series of pronouncements against many nations and a forecast of salvation to “The Land of Judah” (not individuals)

(Isaiah 26:1-19) In that day this song will be sung in the land of Judah: Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust,

The idea of a resurrection was an absurd idea for the Hebrews. In fact the idea of a resurrection got the Apostle Paul in trouble.

(Acts 23:6) . . .Over the hope of resurrection of the dead I am being judged. . .

So this heavenly resurrection idea was not a normal idea for ancient Hebrews.

So did Jesus make it up himself?

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

Clambake

Ecclesiastes is a book of wisdom written by King Solomon which starts off describing the condition of men without god. Money is everything, When we are dead , we are just dead…………………………..oh wait………….Life sucks without god. That is the entire book in a nutshell.

Thanks for the input.

I agree. But with God in the picture, the only reward the book of Ecclesiastes gives is this;

(Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14) . . .The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the [true] God and keep his commandments. For this is the whole [obligation] of man. 14 For the [true] God himself will bring every sort of work into the judgment in relation to every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad.

From what I’ve read, the Jews believed that reward or judgment would be met out in this life, not an “Afterlife”

If the ancient Hebrews believed in an afterlife, the writer of Ecclesiastes would have said something like this;

For the [true] God himself will “Give Everlasting Life” to those that do Good.

The Hebrews never entertained or talked about “Everlasting life” That’s why the Apostles refused to abandon Jesus because He was the only one who offered a reward of everlasting life. No other Jew or Prophet even entertained the idea.

(John 6:68) . . .Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. . .

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

OrphanCrow

The idea of a heaven/hell was likely a Zoroastrian influence from Persia.

Thanks for you input OC

That may be true but the conversation between Jesus and his apostles seem to indicate that the apostles had never heard of Everlasting life after death.

(John 6:68) . . .Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. . .

If the Apostles had heard of and afterlife in heaven/hell they never would have made the comment; You have sayings of everlasting life.

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

Dismissing servant

Probably from Egyptian and Greek/hellenistic religion.

Thanks for your input DS. The problem I have with that is that Jesus was raised by a carpenter. Which means he had no access or any financial means to be educated in Greek or Egyptians schools. All his education came from listening to talks in the synagogues because people back then couldn’t even afford to buy Hebrew scrolls. They were rare and expensive. Only the elite could afford to buy books or attend schools. And everyone knew Jesus could not afford to go to school and get educated.

John 7:15 The Jews then were astonished, saying, "How has this man become learned, having never been educated?"

All the religious information Jesus had was from Hebrew hearsay. And Ancient Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife in Heaven from what I’ve read.

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

John Aquila

The Ancient Jews did not believe in an after-life as far as I can tell, correct me if I'm wrong.

The Watchtower says yes. They say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth.

But the Old Testament does not show any prophet speaking about humans living forever in a paradise earth at some point in the future or for that matter an afterlife in heaven.

In fact it teaches death is the end-- period.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6) . . .but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, ... Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished,. . .

Since this was the case, the Old Testament's admonition was for humans to do this while they are alive;

(Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom

If the Jews didn’t believe in an afterlife, where did Jesus who was a Jew get the idea that the dead would go to heaven and live in heavenly homes?

John 14:1 In my Father's house are many rooms; ---I am going there to prepare a place for you.

Where did Jesus get the idea of a heavenly afterlife? It wasn't from the Hebrew Canon.

This was a new teaching for the ancient Jew.